Tong led the churchs efforts to help the community in the unrest and grief in the aftermath of Floyds death, including setting up pop-up grocery stores. Their dispute stirred underlying issues and philosophical differences, including over the subject of Rigneys remarks themselves. Something that gives me hope that BBC will be able to navigate this very difficult time is that they seem to have a church government in place designed to serve the congregation. The threat effectively shut down discussion. What was described in this article is one of the clearest examples of a local church functioning as a narcissistic family system. We should not be surprised then that this is the house that disregards the voices of the abused and protects the abuser. You are learning not to be led by your emotions. He also expressed misgivings around the treatment of women, which he claimed was the result of attitudes that went beyond complementarian convictions, as well as around Rigneys ties to Wilson. Frankly, its because I graduated from our undergrad program that I have concerns. -It is honestly appalling that he has not called Wilsons use of savagely misogynist rhetoric, specifically in Wilsons blog. D. degrees. As it should, he wrote. The Bethlehem pastors reveal their own corruption by their alliance with Wilson, and church members are right to flee. . It transitioned to a formal degree program that eventually became accredited in 2015. He said he felt a conviction that he couldnt in good conscience stay at BCS and by the end of 2020 his family left Bethlehem too. These churches that are really heavy on theology, we hold our theology so high that when were leaving, it felt like were leaving orthodoxy by leaving our church, she told CT. If thats how you feel, theres probably a problem., Brima, who is white and whose husband is Black, said she saw the empathy as sin idea used as protection from critique and believes it can do unique harm to women and minorities, seemingly minimizing their feelings and experiences. Doug Wilsons carnality is so blatant that a sincerely devoted follower of Christ would be unable to be around him for long, and certainly would not repeatedly seek him out. Another four faculty and staff left the college and seminary in the past year. At the conclusion of the two investigations, Johnathon Bowerswho had taught for a decade at BCSfelt no better about the growing reservations he had over his place at the college. Meyer had stepped down from the BCS board of trustees as well. "At Bethlehem . One of the things that gets brought up in the abuse conversation is that abusers and their communities gaslight and minimize what theyve done, said Rigney. And in such a case, the school will rightly wither and die. Prior to ordination, Pastor Jason attended the Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago and the University of Chicago. By now, you Piper has hosted and defended pastor and author Doug Wilson over the years, even as hes become an increasingly contentious figure in evangelicalism for his teachings on slavery, women, and other issues. Many at BCS, including Bowers himself, were influenced by Pipers 2011 book Bloodlines, his confession of his own racism, and his desire for diversity. I have never been a member in a church which allows a member to put forward a motion to the entire congregation designed to rebuke an elder. Among his concerns, the former assistant professor of theology and philosophy wrote that leaders used Scripture or Christian vocabulary to dismiss employee and student complaints, and that he felt pressured to tiptoe around addressing racial progress. . I fully believed that living for myself and chasing my desires of money, women, and partying would lead me to joy and happiness. Whew! In our next article on events at Bethlehem Baptist Church, well explore the allegations against Naselli, as well as the response by BCS administration and BBC elders. So far this year, about 200 peoplenearly 10% of the megachurchs total membershiphave resigned as members from Bethlehems Downtown campus, according to statistics provided to The Roys Report by former BBC members. The school also hired its only female faculty professor, Betsy Howard, this year. examples (from Wilsons church). (An investigation by Wilsons denomination found several serious errors in Wilsons handling of sex abuse cases in his church, including shifting blame for sexual abuse from the perpetrator to the father of the victim. In the end, seven of the 17 original members of the task force ended up leaving Bethlehem, which some elders saw as confirmation that their misgivings about the group were justified. Why anyone would align themselves with Doug Wilsonwhose latest in a string of anti-Christian behaviors is authoring an erotic novel about a sex robotis beyond me. An outside investigation TEAM is objective, trained, experienced, know what they are looking for, knows how to speak to the church about what they see, and love Jesus Christ. But for others, the pastors focus on race and abuse issues reflected a differing philosophy of ministry. Are there good reasons why members are leaving? "This news is fresh to the leadership at Bethlehem, and we are still processing the reasons for the departure, as well as next steps," the statement continued. espaol,
Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? In the years after Piper stepped down in 2013, Bethlehem had its own reckoning on domestic abuse in complementarian marriages. Over time, for a variety of reason, the members of the narcissistic family system are trained, conditioned, molded, shaped, and manipulated into becoming co-conspirators in the idolatry of The Image., And they are coerced into being temple prostitutes at the temple of The Image.. Unlike other high-profile evangelical scandals and shakeups in the headlines, the story at Bethlehem is not so clear-cut. This moment is hard. Steve and Janette Takata told The Roys Report they were shocked by Nasellis ultimatum. To donate, click here. If yes leave the church. When someone at the meeting asked Naselli to explain himself, he responded that what was happening in the roomhow some were taking sides without any judgmentwas exactly what Rigney and Wilson were protesting in their podcast. [ This article is also available in
Hes brilliant, which is what makes him dangerous. (BBC has about 40 elders, but the congregation is considered the final authority and meets quarterly to vote on church matters.). Stokes said that even without charges of heresy or a false gospel, just differences in approach, the discussion can feel very personal. There's domineering. Ming-Jinn Tong, pastor for neighborhood outreach, announced his resignation in May; and Bryan Pickering, pastor for care and counseling, in June. Zuleger also asked church members to pray for their leaders. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. You can thank John Piper for that mess. There's bullying. Like in many evangelical churches that are majority white, some members of the congregation believed the church was putting too little an effort into addressing ethnic harmony and justice, while others felt like it became too much of a focus. Bethlehem was the plan until we were going to be in Jesus arms. You'll hear sermons, worship, life-changing help, and prayer. This response, of course, is labeled as immature, manipulative, and reactive.. Its a simple case of the seeds of the founder coming to fruition. In his resignation letter, Meyer added, Ming-Jinn, Bryan, and I were called shame terms like coddlers, and Ming-Jinn was called Absalom.. Overall, her professors and pastors modeled a way to engage the world not from fear and suspicion, but with openness and critical thinking., Theres much I love about Bethlehem. Meyer told his congregation to expect that race would continue to be addressed from the pulpit. It would have been easier, he said, to move from understanding abuse within institutions and systems, as can be the case with spiritual abuse and racism, to the ways abuse manifests in marriage relationships. Piper should intervene to save what is left at Bethlehem. Even before Rigneys selection and the Naselli investigation at BCS, church leaders had begun to rethink what it means for the college and seminary to be a church-based school when the church now has three campuses instead of one. Particularly since Donald Trumps presidency, theres been a deepening of divisions among American evangelicals, exposing disagreements not in theology per se but in how they as Christians see their greatest priorities and fears in society. To unlock this article for your friends, use any of the social share buttons on our site, or simply copy the link below. Are we not caring enough about our responsibilities to weep with those who weep? and Ph. The church where John Piper pastored for 33 years is arguably facing one of its greatest crises in 150 years. From afar it looks to me like Bethlehem Baptist has dodged a bullet of baloney. When met with issues that strike at the core of ones identity, its natural to have visceral responses, she tweeted. Those allegations were dismissed by BCS last August. With Rigney slated to lead the college and seminary, some worried that his theological views and his affiliations would become conflated with Bethlehemsspecifically his concerns on empathy discussed in the hour-long Wilson interview (which is now on YouTube). The first, Your Empathy is a SIn: a Response to Desiring God is here: https://heresthejoy.com/2019/06/your-empathy-is-a-sin-a-response-to-desiring-god/. These tensions came to a head at a contentious BBC congregational meeting on January 31 in which two members, Steve and Janette Takata, submitted motions for the church to consider. He also did not respond to The Roys Reports repeated requests for an interview. "Pray for your leaders as we pray for you. I believe aspects of BCS culture are inconsistent with the mission and vision I came to love, she said. BCS is a confessional school where professors teach from its 52-page affirmation of faith, but students from other traditions can attend. This idea has come up in the cultural conversation with more loaded and often less theological terms: the overly sensitive snowflake generation, the debate over trigger warnings, and the 2018 bestseller The Coddling of the American Mind. Couldnt agree more, Rebecca. So, at the January 31, 2021, meetingjust months before Joe Rigney was installed as president of BCSTakata moved that the elders make a public statement separating the views expressed by Rigney in Man Rampant from the views and teaching of BBC. As far as I can see, Pipers church and seminary are just carrying the torch. . Approximately 75% of attending members voted AGAINST it. Web1-31-2021 Worship Service Pastor Meyers retirement. I thought others agreed with me as we talked about taking that approach. His worries center on what he sees as contemporary expectations that people join others who are hurting in their pain. There are still a few spots open; which we hope will be filled. Meyers exit last month followed two others at Bethlehems downtown campus. A debate over untethered empathy underscores how departing leaders, including John Pipers successor, approached hot-button issues like race and abuse. She also left her job at Bethlehems Campus Outreach after reporting what she saw as domineering and sexist behavior by a coworker, only to have the leaders blame her personality and ambitions for the conflict, she said. Part of whats happened, in the last five years plus especially, is emerging fault lines among people with sensibly shared theological commitments, Rigney said in an interview with CT. At the same time, Theres been an escalation of language and inflation of language such that when a certain issue rises to where it becomes the litmus test, where it becomes, Youre either with us or against usas opposed to simply a different instinct or tendency within a same shared theological commitmentthats when theres real problems, and its hard to work together.. He kept saying dont get sucked in which is quite a different thing than having empathy. Speaking as a 18 yr attender at BBC (currently planning on leaving) the closest Piper ever got to decrying Wilson was during a interview with Joe Rigney. WebOur Legacy. Meanwhile, church elders and BCS administration concluded that the processes largely worked as they should, but that they came to a different conclusion than the accusers. WebBethlehem Baptist Church. Rigney has become known for raising concerns about the sin of empathy, a topic hes written about on Desiring God and discussed in a video series hosted by Doug Wilson. To register contact Jason Meyer at wljm01@gmail.com. Amid these accusations, I recommend trying G.R.A.C.E to investigate the matters facing Bethlehem. His experience in the class led him to hear from others who had been called out by Naselli, and he brought concerns from a dozen students to leaders at the church at BCS the following year. I wish the congregation the best in getting this all sorted out. In his resignation letter, Meyer referenced the fracturing of evangelicalism described in a recent Mere Orthodoxy article, which details how certain groups will experience significant philosophy of ministry differences in how to contextualize the gospel in this cultural moment. While accusations swirled of liberal drift under his leadership, Meyer instead saw the congregation moving in the other direction and suggested a pastor in the neo-fundamentalist category would be a better fit. Even people whove left in frustration agree theres no single cause or person beneath the conflict. According to Pickering, Naselli had been the focus of an internal investigation at BCS due to allegations of bullying and spiritual abuse brought by about 12 former and current BCS students. I think hes unnecessarily connected the two. A better way to describe this is rigid and controlling. I was living a life apart from God. But empathy that is true does not result in that. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Five of our professors are elders; four of our trustees are elders, said Rigney. Its been a taxing year for everyone, and its been a taxing year for ministry. The Takatas, like the group of Nasellis former students, felt like they too had gone through a convoluted process of praying, reporting, documenting, scheduling, meeting, and working for resolution only to have the process end without feeling like their concerns were fully understood and that nothing would change as a result. "There's unethical behavior. The elder council concluded in April that the charges against Naselli were not true, but the pastors were three of four elders who dissented in hopes that further investigation could take place. Thats part of our entire educational approach. (He declined to comment on Naselli or any specific faculty members. Several current leaders at Bethlehem as well as BCSs new president, Joe Rigney, pointed to a similar taxonomy laid out by The Gospel Coalitions Kevin DeYoung. I attended Bethlehem for nearly 3 years, belonged to one of the small groups. Our friendship is not up for grabs even a little, yet I'm personally heartbroken. Ive always been mystified by Pipers attraction to him. Pastor Ralph Donohue. Meyers exit last month followed two others at Bethlehems downtown campus. | Screenshot/YouTube/Fellowship Church Church of the Highlands and ARC officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the lawsuit when contacted by The Christian Post on Tuesday. Rev Dr Jackie Dowdy. God commands us to be compassionate. In the podcast Mr. Rigney basically said, show compassion but dont have empathy.. But what I noticed, underlying the meaningful time I worshiped at Bethlehem, was rigidity and control among leadership. He and Pickering, who read the names of the victims in prayer that week, received criticism from a fellow elder for bringing up race as a component in the incident. Members who spent 10, 20, or even 30 years worshiping and serving there, who expected they would be part of Bethlehem for the rest of their lives, said goodbye to their spiritual home. His writings are dreck, laughable to those who havent already decided to worship at his temple. . The successor to John Piper at Bethlehem Baptist Church this week resigned in what appears to be a major shake-up at the church amid allegations of toxic Co-author of the entry on fundamentalism in the Encyclopedia of North Carolina (Chapel Hill: The University of North Carolina Press, 2006), Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees (preachers and teachers,) you hypocrites! And though Naselli would later apologize for what he said, the Takatas said Naselli made disparaging statements about them in the months following to elders, BBC members, and staff at BCS. In a letter that Pickering presented to Naselli in February, and the churchs Elder Council in March, Pickering accused Naselli of displaying a pattern of controlling and egregious sin against God and people., I do not think you are presently qualified for the office of elder, Pickering wrote, and urged Naselli to resign to spare the church, and the elder council, grief upon grief.. But I am glad Fod called Jason to be a preacher instead of an air-traffic controller. A year later, Rigney, who had taught theology and literature at BCS since 2007, was named the schools second president in an announcement by Piper as chancellor. Former Elder, and BBC professor of Biblical Counseling Pickering, however, said he was not surprised by Nasellis response at the meeting. Tabb and fellow leaders at BCS conducted the investigation of the former students complaints, which concluded last August. WebIn 2012, Jason Meyer became the senior pastor. All three had conflicted at times with Bethlehems 40-plus-member elder council, and they eventually saw their own ministries and the focus of the church going in different directions. Meyer wrote in his letter, It is hard to avoid seeing (the charges) as retribution., The Roys Report reached out to several elders for comment. Concerning threats within the church, they have deep worries with the churchs drift towards liberalism and the ways secular ideologies are finding homes in the church. In the summer of 2019, the task force presented an 85-page report to the elders, which essentially died in committee. The Takatas were jarred by the response. For twelve BBC students to submit allegations against N is not insignificant. If not leave that church. If I just resign and pretend that I think everything at Bethlehem is fine, I would be dishonest, wrote Meyer, who left August 1. We also have troubles that have played out at Bethlehem over the past year. Then they got themselves in trouble (ultimately with God) when they opened their mouths and spoke words without knowledge in their attempt to fix Job. Until a chance encounter with my moms old Bible opened my eyes. Lee at the North Campus told CT that his congregation, the largest Bethlehem location, has been encouraged by the frankness of the discussion and is ready to move forward. Many of us (myself included) were blessed by Johns teachings on Christian hedonism and we gave him a pass on certain teachings because of his warmth, enthusiasm, and geeky charm, but make no mistake, this is the house he built. 4. Some current seminary students say they were satisfied with the outcome and have seen repentance from their professor following the investigation. ***, The pastor also reminded the South Campus members his letter was "just to state the reality of things and to give you space to lament.". When the image of the family is more important than the individual members of the family, this is a narcissistic family system. Even with the warning, there were moments where the tone and classroom demeanor intensified in contrast to others at BCS. But many were due to tensions resulting from racial and womens issues, ties to controversial pastor Doug Wilson, and the elders handling of allegations of misconduct by Andy Naselli. A narcissistic family system can be a family, a local church, an organization, or any other group. Rev Juan Dominguez. The Roys Report noted Meyer, the successor to founder John Piper, is the fourth pastor to resign from the megachurch in the past four months. A Taiwanese American, Tong also wore traditional Chinese attire as he preached on the Sunday following the Atlanta massage parlor shootings. In their minds, claims of inappropriate behavior or abuse wont always be justified. Disagreements in this area can feel like personal attacks or as doctrinal attacks, when they really are neither.. He wrote in an email to her that he believed the elders would be taking up the issue in the days ahead.. cultural, damaging behavior that's being done, and has been done, for a long time.". Brian Tabb, a BBC elder and dean at BCS, told Takata in an email that he could understand her concerns. Its not bad to feel hurt., The BCS alumna said that he went on to say, We came from a generation where Nasellis teaching philosophyand Don Carsonsis completely normal. Calvins Misrepresentation of God) to see the outcome as we see here. This organization investigates any level or kind of abuse within the church, and founded by Boz Tchividijian, (an attorney) and his team has done excellent work to help churches navigate through this kind of thing. WebJason Meyer Lead Pastor, Urban Refuge Church Winfred Neely Vice President & Dean, Moody Theological Seminary Laurie Norris Dean of Faculty & Professor of Bible, Moody Bible Institute Douglas O'Donnell Co-Author, The Beauty and Power of Biblical Exposition Neal Presa Associate Professor of Preaching & Worship, New Brunswick Theological There is some overlap and co-belligerency with Christian Nationalism (a syncretism of right wing nationalism and Christianity) but neo-fundamentalists do so with more theological vocabulary and rationality. She requested that, prior to Rigney taking office, the elders make a statement to separate Rigneys views in the episode from the views and teachings of Bethlehem Baptist Church.. Here is a checklist to determine if someone should leave a church: 1. And I want to speak against her motion. By After Christ Christian Center. Rigney has a degree from New Saint Andrews College, founded by Wilsons Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, and has maintained ties with him. In a letter emailed to his congregation, the pastor of one of the three Bethlehem campuses referenced nuanced and complex issues at play in Meyers resignation last month. He added that Wilsons church has received a great deal of scrutiny about its poor handling of abuse cases in the past, so I cringed when I heard (Wilson) bring up . . From there he went on to study at Southern Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky where he earned M. Div. ), Boyum said it was because of her training at Bethlehem that she felt like she should raise concerns. I found it very helpful. Using language like unity culture waters down and redefines what is really going on. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Most, though, come through the Young, Restless, and Reformed movement. Man Rampant? The motion passed on a voice vote and Takata told The Roys Report that three of the task forces five reports were eventually released to church members with redactions. Instead, he said it confirmed the pattern he already suspected after speaking with nearly all 12 former BCS students who in 2020 submitted allegations against Naselli to BCS administration.. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. WebSince that time, his life has never been the same and the reach of his ministry has only grown. Piper cant step in, from what I understand. Elders and ministers at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Ive blogged about that twice. WebFor more information about enrolling in services, please contact Mary Ali at agencyintakes@esarc.org or 260.456.4534 ext. It seems as though one issue is differing views regarding the churchs theological emphasis, while another issue is abusive leadership and a culture of fear. ***Please sign up forCBN Newslettersand download theCBN News appto ensure you keep receiving the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective. In 1980, after only 5 years of ministry, the congregation took a huge step of faith and built a facility to hold 450 people. WebJason Meyer | 2 Corinthians 11:16-21. Take Back Your Life. One point of tension was a months-long process evaluating grievances made against a Bethlehem elder and a BCS professor, Andy Naselli, who was accused of failing to be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger, and thereby unfit for his positions, after his remarks at a church meeting. Im stumped over this direction. During a meeting in May, the downtown pastors faced further challenges from some of the council. He seems to be warning that a large amount of empathy will muddy the waters. This was supposed to be a landmark year for Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, as the historic congregation, best known for John Pipers 33-year tenure as pastor, marked its 150th anniversary. Such sensitivities, he fears, can threaten Christians relationship with the truth. Naselli, associate professor of theology and New Testament at BCS, spoke up to identify himself as the five-star reviewer and said that if the motion passed, hed quit. The key thing in a lot of waysmaybe Im feeling this one more directly nowis the way that our emotional responses to reality need to be in accordance with reality.. Bethlehem Baptist Church, Pastor Jason Meyer, Domestic Violence, Emotional Abuse, Spiritual Abuse Almost 1-1/2 years ago, I wrote an article about John Piper's former church, Bethlehem Baptist Church (BBC) regarding domestic violence, Encouraging Shift from Bethlehem Baptist Church Regarding Domestic Abuse and Care I believe that the issue isnt whether or not we should show compassion (we should), but whether our compassion will be rooted in the gospeldeployed with discernment and with a willingness to provide correction or rebuke (Titus 1:13), Steven Lee, pastor of Bethlehems North Campus, wrote in a response to Meyers resignation letter. But its more difficult to shift peoples thinking the other way, though more resourcesbooks like Somethings Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuseand Freeing Yourself from Its Power by Wade Mullen and A Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power and Promotes Healing by Laura Barringer and Scot McKnightare changing how people see abuse within the church. It remains based at Bethlehems downtown campus, and though BCS has its own board of trustees, theres significant overlap in leadership. The others who have resigned include Bryan Pickering, former They were disappointed, too, that their pursuit of evidence and the truth became viewed as disbelieving victims or not showing compassion. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? The stakes continue to be raised, said Josh Panos, a BCS alumnus. To share this article with your friends, use any of the social share buttons on our site, or simply copy the link below. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! If youve seen much of Doug Wilson or his church/school/publishing empire in Moscow, ID, and you have some understanding of narcissism, youll immediately recognize the warning flags. Piper quite dysfunctionaly spoke in regard to Wilsons repentance over his hurtful and honestly unsupportable writing, I believe in regards to Southern Slavery As It Was. 2. ,and
According to the church's website, the Bethlehem elders have called for an all-church meeting to be held on Sunday, July 25 regarding Meyer's resignation. For some, these three pastors willingness to listen to and advocate for congregants, their teachings on race and abuse, and their leadership at the downtown campus were particular assets to Bethlehem. Freedom City Church (FCC) was born in a small art studio in Uptown Whittier, CA, and it has quickly expanded to the present facility Pastor Jason and his beautiful wife and co-pastor, Elizabeth, lead in Whittier, CA. Any theology that creates abusive jerks is all doctrines taught by demons. After Christ Christian Center. A lay member, who attended Bethlehem for over a decade and asked not to be named to preserve ministry relationships, told CT it made sense that Meyer, Pickering, and Tong were the ones to go since they were seen as the empathetic ones. Im not convinced that I sinned against you. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. In an interview with The Roys Report, Bryan Pickering, the former pastor for care and counseling at the church, said he resigned over a pattern of abusive conduct by Bethlehem's leaders that he not only witnessed but experienced. Its one of the things that meant I never took John Piper seriously, or trusted his exposition of Scripture. January 31, 2021 Pastor : Jason Wallingsford, Pastor Paul Meyer. In September 2018, the church moved into its current South Campus facility in Lakeville. Rigney recognizes spiritual abuse as something that does happen in Christian contexts, but he also challenged what he saw as the possibility for criticism or correction from a position of authority to get inflated as abuse. Brilliant people dont do that because they dont need to. 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