Very well explained. But right, Paul was not so special a case that he would be the only one God dealt with weakness, but his special case was because of abundance of revelations, and not for the reason of sin, like David revealed; Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word. Psalm 119:67. Thats part of the reason people like Furtick have a huge audience. Heres the order from Scripture: When I spoke of the Great Commission, he was confused. He appears to be a genuine person that is, I dont see him as a liar who poses as a follower of Jesus for personal gain. Your article comes as no surprise. I also appreciate you taking the time to comment, and to try to be helpful to Kathleen. Jude 1:3-4. Can you please provide the date of the sermon you reference (or better yet, a link as most Furtick sermons are available online). Those are strong words, but theyre not my own. God is not a multiple personality being. That would be closer to oneness theology than trinitarian. In Romans 14, for example, Paul tells us that there are disputable matters. With all due respect to other writers of websites (and makers of videos, and tweeters of tweets), many who talk about false teachers are willing to call someone a false teacher simply because they disagree over disputable matters. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. This is serious business. Its the result of twisting Scripture, not of careful study. Godly people would never drink alcohol. Its not a comprehensive look at the definition of false teachers, but its a start. God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. Are you trying to defend Furtick against the claim that hes a false teacher? We cant create worlds out of nothing. As this power mentioned in John 1:12 is the same power here in Luke 8:45-48 that is able to save, heal, and deliver. Joyce Meyer, greatest Bible teacher alive today . The only legitimate claims of modalists on this topic are the ones on which everyone agrees: there is one God. Im not happy to say this. All we have to do is compare the gospel as expressed in the New Testament with anybodys teachings to see if they match. Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly, It is for your good that I am going away. (Thats two behind Michael Jordan and two ahead of retired Bank of America CEO Hugh McColl. Not I. That attitude is the prerequisite for vs 15, Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Relying on the Lord Jesus this way ensures us that He will correct us if we begin to go off on a tangent. Not just theological stuff, but ALL true things. Thats what it means to say that Christ was from the beginning. I will try this and possibly get back with you when I get his response! (It says this book) Or does it just mean Revelation. See what I mean? But I dont want to follow a false teacher. That would make Him subordinate to the law, and to the one who gave the law. For There is such a thing as an atmosphere of faith, which genders favorable results, even Jesus knew this, as here in his own turf, he would put out doubters; The child is not dead. Youre wise to combine the different gospel accounts to reconcile our beliefs. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. Its based on the dominion idea that Adam inadvertently gave dominion to Satan in the Garden of Eden, and that God had to create a scheme to trick Satan and get dominion back. How many people do you bring to GOD every week? Im not sure that what youve written makes sense. Why did he always defer to the Father, and not himself? ADVICE: Are North Americans wimps when it comes to pain tolerance? Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. From Phineas Quimby to EW Kenyon to Kenneth Hagin to Furtick, Word of Faith teachers claim that God is limited in what He CAN do, that WE are the ones who can unlock His power and allow Him to act as Hed LIKE to act, and that its our MINDSET that keeps us from reaping the amazing benefits of being born again. Right? The Spirit of God is the BREATH/Wind of God and the Son is the WORD of God. (Modeled after Downtown, a rap video from Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, the refrain went like this: Pastor/He has big arms/And has big faith/No word he says will go to waste/For well over 3,000 days/He always preaches down the place.), 10. I know analogies are flawed and the Trinity is difficult to encapsulate but, for me, its always been easy to understand at the simplest level. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 Showing he wants to, but his longsuffering is towards our lack of faith, for without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Let me go a step farther and BEG YOU to take the Bible more seriously, and to compare what Ive written, what youve written, and what Steven Furtick says with Gods Word. There were plenty of people that Jesus never healed. Matthew 26 gives us more: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. This unbiblical idea is that humans are not only somewhat like God, but that we are duplicates or copies of Him. Go find them! The commenting system only goes so deep, then you cant add another level of replies. The thief on the cross was a special case. The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight. As for this modalism, that claims the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one person and not distinct persons, yet Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the mediator between God and man (1 Tim 2:5), so he exist separate from God the Father, being God the Son. The only way to change anyones bad idea is to offer them a better idea, and for them to take it. Its not power inside of us that saves us. Thank you for taking the time to share this. Nazarite vows are a special case. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. Was recently listed as the fifth most powerful person in town by Charlotte magazine. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. They are both real in the spiritual realm, (both already provided according to 1 Peter 2:24), yet only procured through faith, for by grace through faith are we saved (sozo). The one who breaks the Law is a sinner. True, and I hope you dont think I agree totally with Furtick, as they are not the same, but rather one, a big difference! As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. Let me ask you a question. And he performed very few miracles there because of their lack of faith. In both it indicates that did not is part and partial to could not for it was the lack of their faith that caused this. In the world of the Word of Faith movement, God CANNOT do ANYTHING on earth without us giving Him permission. While the statement of faith on Elevations website is entirely orthodox, what gets taught from the pulpit is not. Same thing. He teaches that God created a good Law, then broke His own Law, and did it because He loves us. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. Oneness theology isnt simply monotheism. If you knew that he was teaching falsely, I dont believe you would repeat his errors, because you know that what we believe about God really matters. If justice is ignored, God is not who He claims to be. Multnomah Books. If not, Elevation music is just music some great, some good, some average, some not so much. Unfortunately for him and the many thousands (or millions) who hear him teach, sincerity is largely irrelevant. But its the speeking that gets him every time. Perhaps it is a topic worthy of a post for you sometime, if youve not already posted about it. However: when someone claims to hold to orthodox, biblical, historical Christian doctrine but then makes clear public statements of modalism, its obvious that theyre not teaching what they claim to teach. That we should ignore his false teaching is not. That what it says. Yes, its good to ask what we would think and feel if we were in that situation. If youre a Christian, one would assume that you believe the Bible to be a guide for Christians. God cannot sin, but we certainly can. Provoking conversation to say the least. Let me know if youre in. Theres a GIGANTIC difference between what God CAN do and what God WILL do. In truth, it could be that your father is able to listen to Furtick without a problem, sifting the good from the bad. If he is not a man of God then why did he start out his ministry with 14 people and grow to over 27,000 in a short period of time. Thats undeniably false. Your email address will not be published. Apparently he holds the orthodox view of the triunity of God, at least in his doctrinal statement. I guess thats why people thought of the three states of water, clover leaf, etc. Let me know how I can help, because I want to help. Trying to explain this passage, Furtick claims that Jesus said this: No, I am not leaving you. Go watch the sermon. Thats enough to condemn Furticks statement. Seriously. Man has power over God. Our trust is seen as so powerful that God is unable to act without it. He is rare he actually tells how life really is and tells his own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. It seems weve already agreed that Furtick went too far when he claimed that Jesus COULD NOT perform a miracle because of someones unbelief. Thats wise. If you study the scriptures long enough concerning the identity of Father/Son/Spirit, it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. #3 is what came to mind when you said bad things are bad, never good. I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I have had an on again, off again relationship with my faith throughout the years. While much of what Furtick teaches is true, too much of it is not and the things he gets wrong are big things: the character of God, His ability to do things, our ability to thwart Him, and so on. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. You are not the hero of every Bible story. In Mark 10:46-52, Jesus said to the eagerly awaiting, to be healed, blind man, Go, your faith has healed (sozo) you. These are just examples showing not only how he worked individually, but also how he worked in mass. Multnomah Books. Trust God. Jesus Himself said that HE and the Father would indwell us. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. Now, baptizing people is good. After all, Christ did heal when people had weak faith. Furticks teaching is chock full of narcigesis. He draws us to Himself. So He made man, and wo-man, to reflect who He was. Wommack, like every other Word of Faith teacher, claims that the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith. It seems reasonable to conclude that Jesus healed some because they had faith and wanted to be healed, and didnt heal others because they lacked faith. True, I must admit I was not accurate as to what God can do, and does in His sovereignty, but still the scripture Mark 6:5 ; And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. sounds so close to Matthew 13:58, as here He was powerless to do no mighty work, Jesus was blocked, and even marveled at it, saying it was because of their unbelief. In human terms though there are also single entities being comprised of multiple persons, and I think this gets us closer to a useful analogy. The 28-year-old lead pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte anointed his lips and head with oil, knelt to pray with his entourage, and sang and danced to "What an Awesome God You Are," a gospel-rock song that was a new favorite on his iPod. Heres a quote from Furtick for your consideration: Do you agree with Steven Furtick on this matter? Steven Furtick is a very popular speaker. Does that make you less likely to listen to Paul? Youre right Steven Furtick doesnt seem like a womanizer or a manipulator. One strategy is to ask questions in a different context. Thanks for asking. Ill address your use of Acts 5:38-39 first. The services or what they call experiences being like a rock concert as apposed to a respectable and honorable way to come to God and worship. There are plenty of Scriptures to indicate that God may respond to us based on our actions, or our faith. Your use of this passage suggests that we dont know whether Furtick is teaching the gospel or not whether its from God or not. Neither do I. Jesus makes many statements that show that He is not the Father. We know him only as a regular guy, not somebody with any special favors from God, and they were offended in him verse 56. "I'm about to play Whac-A-Mole with your reasons" for not getting baptized, he said, throwing out combs, brushes, hair gel, towels and make-up remover. If I like a soft drink and tell people its good, they might drink it too and find out later that the company is run by terrible people who eat babies and torture puppies. Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to, And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.. That is convenient, yet to throw it out as false because someone uses it, is also wrong. Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. Every pastor gives their interpretation of what the Bible is saying (Ive been a licensed minister, so youre talking about me). Faith, they claim, brings power. Now it's your turn to get dunked, he told the crowd, wheeling out a cart loaded with shorts, T-shirts, flip-flops, sports bras, boxers and more. So he had zero interest when a friend invited him to a revival at First Baptist of Moncks Corner, S.C., where they sang Southern gospel. Buddhists will talk about becoming one with everything by losing your self-identity. They are all one God, but they are not different modes or manifestations or offices of one person. I think your all wrong you all a I have religious spirit like the Pharisees because Pastor Steve speak the truth and you cant handle the truth -you water down the word of truth make hard -this is my opinion Shame on all you all one you be judges for accusing your brother in Christ instead of support him -you you dont look good pick part everything that you dont like only have itching ears you are like your father the devil may God help you all. . He noted that a prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home. Verse 58 says this: And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. Wherever you find yourself in life, we want to be a place you can depend on for receiving inspiration, encouragement . Does he believe Jesus is the only way to heaven ? Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. Afterward, they reconvened at a 24-hour diner to talk about Christ. Dont let brother Tony, whoever he is, hurt your feelings. Examples include, a choir, a team, an audience, a congregation, a couple, etc. If a man is labeled as a false teacher and not only a weaker brother , can he possibly be a child of God. He knows better than you or I what your father needs. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. That would be the Father, Son, and Spirit who would be considered separate, not one. Thus if a family is comprised of a father, a mother and a son, nobody thinks there are three families or one person with three personalities or such like. I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. Hopefully, we all learn from our mistakes. Thanks. Healing belongs to you and to me. Look at His actual words, in John 12: For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. Dont you see? I dont NEED a cheering section, but your words are a big encouragement. As another scripture that captures this faith concept is Jesus saying; According to your faith be it unto you. Matthew 9:29. You will receive a receipt via mail and email once your donation has been processed. That doesnt mean that God cant USE the bad things for our good, of course but that doesnt make bad things good. Dont make this about you or me. Ill give you another shot at a one-word response. If your father is not a modalist, he will be able to explain the doctrine of the trinity and be able to explain how the Son is not the Father, for example. Moving on to his marital affairs, the evangelist is happily married to his beautiful wife, Holly Furtick. Two responses: when Mark says Jesus could do no mighty works in Nazareth, He does not mean that their unbelief sapped His power. . The biblical perspective is that, without Gods help, we are hopelessly lost. Theyd rather follow their favorite teacher. I believe he believes what hes saying. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God would be less than pleased about your cooperation with Him. Thanks. God existed, then created humans, then became the Son to carry out different functions. Paul gave us the way to avoid error in Philippians 3. I currently have a dad who has pastored for 40+ years. We are talking about Furtick as a teacher and his interpretation of Matthew 13:58, yet Matthew Henry is a teacher, and said the very same thing, will you draw him into this category too? Deuteronomy 6:4 Isaiah 61:1 Matthew 28:19 Mark 1:9-11 Luke 1:35 John 5:21-23; 14:10, 16 Romans 8:9-11 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 13:14 Hebrews 1:8-10 James 2:19. Because if a person really Noahs God and has a true relationship with him they know right from wrong keep your comments to yourself and quit causing Discord among the brethren. Steven Furtick Jr. is an American Baptist evangelical Christian pastor and songwriter of Elevation Worship. He was into Nirvana and Guns n' Roses. As for not judging, you might take the time to look up the passage in question. If only the apostle Paul had known what Kenneth Copeland, Steven Furtick, Joyce Meyer, and Andrew Wommack know. Thats the question. >> God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. The trouble comes, of course, when we pretend that our insertion is the truth. What other, in your opinion, false teachers have you written about?? Jesus was not judging them, they were judging themselves, self incriminating (thus not getting anything, James 1:4) for as, per John 3:18. Furtick is one of those. Answer Steven Furtick is the lead pastor of Elevation Church, based near Charlotte, North Carolina. When a man spends this much time in attempt to rip down another mans character down. That he has not suggests that he stands by his statements, which is why Ive shared them here. Not the people, but the ideas, and the spiritual forces behind those ideas. My identity isnt a secret. Thank you for sharing this. COULD JESUS HAVE HEALED THEM IN SPITE OF THEIR LACK OF FAITH, OR ARE HUMANS ABLE TO STOP GOD FROM DOING WHAT HE WANTS TO DO? Normally, I strictly use a false teachers own words to explain why we should avoid them. Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. Im not sure we can say that. He grew up in Moncks Corner, South Carolina alongside Matthew Furtick born in 1983. But he went, and met Jody Jennings. It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. My question is about Elevation music do you think we ought to sing their songs at home or in church? The problem is that hes not preaching the gospel. Jesus did not do miracles because performing them would have been against His purpose to judge those who were unwilling to believe. He's more performer than pastor. In John 4 Jesus healed a noblemans son in spite of his lack of faith and Jesus did it without the permission and, ostensibly the faith, of the son. This is also why Jesus said; According to your faith be it unto you. Its a combination of narcissism and eisegesis. Im not blaming you, but pointing out that what youve written has been condemned by Christians throughout history as being entirely unbiblical. For example: Jehovahs Witnesses may glorify Jesus, but not the Jesus described in the Bible. God did not break the Law, He followed it to the letter but, rather than punishing us, He punished Himself as a demonstration of love. Furtick, Steven (2012). Pauls entire ministry illustrates the selfless nature of the true Shepherd. He fulfilled the Law. We are made in Gods image, but as God said there is no one like Him. God, in, Ah, Sovereign Lord Nothing is too hard for you. His claim was that Jesus COULD NOT heal those people because of His unbelief that He had the power, and wanted to use it, but COULD NOT. They did bad things, and no amount of awesomeness in the lives of their children can turn their crimes into blessings. You seem to think that the power is in US that speaking those words is what saves us. This is something more. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. The question is whether a teacher directly contradicts the Bible, or adds to the Bible in a way that compromises the truth in it. In my opinion this is an often overlooked or unaddressed misconception among professing Christians. If Im not a man of God then why did I start out this ministry with ZERO readers and grow to over 160,000 per month in a short period of time? Many people such as Paul himself before his conversion, along with his brother Pharisees, know the Word. Im glad theyre alive, but that doesnt turn their rapists into benefactors. Post the video showing Seven stating this and 2 or more to find this man is misleading before you accusing. Thanks, Thanks for your patience. Right my grip is that you can express yourself at length yet do not afford it to others, as kind of Rules for thee, but not for me! Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. Is the Lords arm too short? In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. Have a great day! Elevation made headlines again when members followed up by pledging $6.4 million to the church's capital campaign for worship space. This is false, of course that would be the heresy of tritheism. I wonder: why do you think that almost all of the books in the New Testament warn Christians to watch out for false teachers? In this specific conversation, the question is whether Jesus COULD HAVE performed more miracles in Nazareth, or COULD NOT HAVE. I do. Its an observation. Both tritheism and modalism are false simply because they contradict Scripture. The power that works in us is Gods power, not ours and its not ours to command, its His. Paul, you say, needed to be humbled. On that, modalists agree with the Bible. Political Party: Ethnicity: Religion: Income: Net Worth: Relationship: Kids: Steven Furtick introduced Pastrix Christine Caine to preach on a Sunday morning at Elevation Church. (This collection of 100 awakened leaders who are using their voices and talent to elevate humanity also included Bishop T.D. I hope not. 4044). If you agree that hes a false teacher but want to talk more about Matthew 13, at least Ill have some sense as to your intentions. Hello, I am in my mid thirties and trying to rebuild my faith. Thanks for your comment. The very idea of salvation contradicts that notion! But some times enjoys listening to fellows like Furtick and TD Jakes knowing the doctrine and error in the ministry itself. But we still felt that God had given us a message and a vision that would serve the city well.". He committed to going back to the 50+ churches on his district and letting them know not how he had failed, but how he missed the opportunity to do better. Instead, you might ask your father to help you you could ask, You know, I believe in the trinity, but Id like to be able to explain it clearly. The term family is singular. Yes, I have the final word on what gets published, but that only applies when people are being unduly combative or promoting things I cant promote. Matthew 9:29. 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